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Emergency Landing!!!!

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What will you do if your engine stalls on take-off?

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  • Jeff

    I believe I have the same exact fuel pump in line on my 2003 Airborne 912.  I've had it mounted for several years now.  I always turn it on before take off and leave it on until at cruise altitude.  Then turn it on again for landing.  680 some hours and never had any problems.  I would love to know if it was a pump problem or a foreign substance blockage problem.  Has anyone heard of this happening with a facet failing in this fashion?  I can't make it to Elk River later this month but I can make it this Friday. Inquiring minds NEED to know if I should go to parallel lines or is there another explanation.

  • XC Triker

    Hey David,  I couldn't find your triple post, but then realized that the convo had jumped to a second page.  That always screws me up too when that happens.  Go to bottom of page and click on "2" or "Next" then you can see the convo continuing.

  • white eagle

    Xc when I posted I didn't see the post come up.than because I spoke about nsa I got really frightens and thought wow they really are listening and deleting my post.than I said to hell with that I'll post it again and when that didn't show up I really got scared and said to myself.my great great grandfathers were decorated vets in the revolutionary war.than I got mad and said Iam gonna say what I feel to hell (freedom of speech) right? Than I realized they were posting on front page but couldn't delete the duplicates.what do they think a paranoid society is a safe society!

  • Ttabs

    Jeff - I'm rethinking the install of the auxiliary fuel pump concept.  I have questions regarding an inflight failure of the primary Rotax pump.  Namely, will the auxiliary pump be able to push gas through the primary pump if it fails and if so - at what pressure?  

    What I think would be adequate is installing the Facet auxiliary fuel pump in a parallel system.  That is drawing fuel off of the main line (after the fuel filter) via a T fitting to the auxiliary.  Then injecting it into the fuel supply line AFTER the Rotax pump thereby bypassing it in the event of a failure.  Doing this would require two check valves. The fuel would run through the Rotax pump, through a check valve (preventing back flow) and then a 'T' fitting.  The second check valve would be placed between the T fitting and the auxiliary fuel pump.  In this fashion, either pump can fail and you'd still be able to supply gas to the carbs.  You can also do a ground check before each flight of the auxiliary pump simply by switching it on (before engine start) and seeing adequate fuel pressure supplied to the carbs.  (I have a fuel pressure sensor in my system).  Then switch it off knowing your reserve pump is functioning properly.  You don't need additional fuel pressure for take-offs and landings.   

    This adds complexity to the fuel system and I have not researched the 1/4" check valves on the market.  These check valves would absolutely have to be totally reliable.  But you would truly have bypass supply of fuel to the carbs with a flick of a switch.    

    Since I had an in-line failure of the auxiliary pump creating an inflight emergency, installing it as you currently have it I now consider to be inadequate and dangerous.  

    My question to the crowd here is - does anyone know of any simple and totally reliable fuel check valves with 1/4" fittings?  

  • cburg

    Long but interesting article:

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    By Robert Mezler

    POOR DESIGN AND INSTALLATION OF THE FUEL SYSTEM IS THE MOST LIKELY REASON IF YOUR FLIGHT ENDS TOO SOON. This article can help prevent that.

    Engine failures are rare. Almost all so called "engine failures" are returned to service without ever working on the engine itself. Its the systems that support the engine which usually fail ... and fuel systems fail more often than all other things combined. Most of those failures are easily prevented.

    A WORD OF CAUTION
    This subject always brings out the internet "experts". If any readers doubt that real people can be as screwed up as some of the "experts" mentioned in this article they should check the archives of the engines-ul2 list starting Nov 6, 2007. Just that one discussion included many of the "expert" claims mentioned in this article.

    FUEL
    Most American pumps have a label on them which shows the advertised octane was calculated as RON plus MON divided by two. European countries use the RON method only. If your engine manual says to use 91 RON then you can use American 87 octane gas since its the same as 91 RON.

    Aviation fuel is often called 100LL. Its 100 octane but
    the low lead part is misleading. It does have less lead
    than aviation fuel had years ago but it still has much
    more lead than automotive gas. That lead is hard on our
    type engines because it fouls plugs and causes rings to
    stick if we use it on a regular basis. A few gallons of
    aviation fuel once in a while doesn't matter much but I
    still avoid it as much as I can.

    Some "experts" claim that the volatiles evaporate out of
    gas rapidly so fuel goes "stale" fast. There is a tiny
    bit of truth in that but it certainly doesn't happen
    very fast. How long does gas have to sit in your car or
    lawn mower before you notice any difference? In my
    plane 3 or 4 weeks certainly doesn't cause any problems
    and I have gone twice that long with only a very minor
    difference in the performance ... and I even premix the
    oil with my fuel. Don't get paranoid about "stale" gas.

    Gasoline picks up small flakes of rust and dirt as its
    pumped hundreds of miles through underground pipe lines.
    The large storage tanks at the end of the pipeline add
    water and more crap. Even the truck that delivers gas
    to your local gas station may contribute and of course
    water and crap in the gas station tank gets stirred up
    when the tank is filled. Gas companies try to filter
    the gas and most even have a filter right at the pump
    nozzle but some water and crap always gets to our tanks.

    Some pilots filter the gas going into the tanks on the
    plane with felt or chamois cloth and some use a Mr.
    Funnel. It doesn't matter what you use to filter your
    fuel or how careful you are to avoid condensation in the
    tank, sooner or later there will be water and crap in
    your tank so your fuel system has to handle some of it.

    ELECTRIC FUEL PUMPS
    The Mikuni pumps are designed to suck fuel up to the
    engine and can easily handle the 3 or 4 feet of vertical
    lift needed with our engine and tank locations. Faucet
    recommends mounting their electric pumps below the fuel
    tank because they can NOT produce much suction.

    Many people think that an electric fuel pump is a way to
    provide an extra margin of safety. That's okay but make
    sure that you understand what you are doing or you can
    wind up LESS safe. Dual pumps can be used safely but
    you need to do it correctly.

    If you use pumps in series each pump must provide enough
    fuel pressure by itself in case the other pump fails.
    With both pumps running there is too much pressure at
    the carb. To prevent that you need a pressure regulator
    but then you depend on ONE regulator to keep working.
    Wasn't your orginial concern that you depended on ONE
    fuel pump to keep working? What have you gained?

    There was an article on two pumps in parallel published
    in an UL magazine which assumed that Facet pumps had a
    check valve built in. One friend crashed when he had
    fuel starvation with that setup. I made another friend
    do some tests before he flew that setup and we found out
    that he would have also had fuel starvation problems.
    That article was published about 2002 but that same bad
    assumption is still floating around on some web sites.

    We normally use the Facet 40104 or 40105 pump where the
    fuel tanks are in the wings. Where the fuel tanks are
    mounted low in the plane we usually use the Facet 40106
    so the carb sees enough pressure. Check them out at

    http://www.facet-purolator.com/solidstate.asp

    The labels on top of the columns are screwed up but if
    you study the info you can figure out that NONE OF OUR
    PUMP MODELS have a check valve built in. Hint .. If you
    shift the label "fitting size" to your left to be in
    line with the fitting descriptions of the model numbers
    then the columns on the right will match up better and
    make more sense.

    The bottom line is this. When there is more pressure at
    the outlet port than is being created by the pump, fuel
    will flow backwards through the pump. Any time you use
    more than one pump you should install a check valve on
    the outlet of each pump to prevent reverse flow of fuel
    through the pumps.

    With engines mounted high and fuel pumps mounted low
    there is one PSI pressure on the pump outlet port for
    every 37 inches in height just from the head pressure of
    the fuel in the line up to the carb ... even with the
    engine off and the pump not running. For discussion,
    call it 1 to 2 PSI head pressure at the pump outlet when
    the pump is off.

    Fire up the engine and the Mikuni will add 4 to 7 PSI to
    the top of that head pressure and give about 5 to 9 PSI
    total at the electric pump outlet. If the electric pump
    can only pump 6 PSI, fuel from the Mikuni goes backwards
    through the electric pump even when it is running. The
    end result is less fuel available for the carb than was
    available before you installed the electric pump.

    Don't believe it? Go out to the flight line and find
    any plane thats running an electric pump in parallel
    with a Mikuni. Pull the suction line off the suction
    port of the electric pump and plug that line. Fire up
    the engine on the Mikuni and watch the gas pour out of
    the electric pump suction port at high engine RPMs. A
    10 buck check valve from McMaster-Carr installed at each
    pump outlet is cheap insurance and cures that problem.
    Part number 7775K51 has a Viton seat which is rated for
    gasoline and it only takes 1/3 of a pound of pressure to
    open it.

    If you do the same test on the Mikuni while you run on
    the Faucet pump you may find that it can leak back too
    because the flapper valves inside the Mikuni can leak
    pretty bad if there is any grit in them. The safest
    thing is to put a fuel filter on the suction side of
    each pump to keep them clean and put a check valve on
    the outlet side of each pump to prevent reverse flow.

    If you provide a seperate fuel tank dip tube for each
    pump and a seperate fuel filter at each pump suction
    port you can have two completely independent fuel
    systems. Mcmaster-Carr sells brass barbed tees for 1/4
    ID tubing as part number 44555K138. Connect the two
    mikuni outlets together with a tee then install a check
    valve on the tee opening. You can connect two more tees
    together to provide four openings if you have dual carbs.
    One line from the mikuni pump check valve, one line from
    the electric pump check valve and two lines to the carbs.

    If the Mikuni quits, a 4 PSI electric pump on a low tank
    will only provide 2 to 4 PSI at the pump outlet and 0 to
    3 PSI at the carb because 1 to 2 PSI is used just to
    raise the gas up to the carb. Will that keep you in the
    air? Maybe and maybe not since the carb inlet should
    really have at least 4 PSI. The 4 PSI pump models
    should only be used with wing tanks.

    For high engines and low tanks use the 40106 pump if you
    are determined to have an electric pump. That will NOT
    provide too much pressure and it will keep fuel to the
    carb as long as there is a check valve on the Mikuni so
    that it can't leak fuel back into the tank.

    MIKUNI PULSE OPERATED FUEL PUMPS
    Two stroke engines use the piston to suck the air/fuel
    mixture from the carb through the intake manifold into
    the crankcase each time the piston moves toward the
    combustion chamber. As the piston moves away from the
    combustion chamber the mixture in the crankcase is
    pushed from the crankcase into the combustion chamber.
    This creates a small vacuum then a small pressure inside
    the crankcase which we call a PULSE. A fitting through
    the crankcase wall is connected to a chamber inside the
    fuel pump by a piece of tubing so the fuel pump diaphram
    can be moved by these pulses.

    Condensate forms when warm fuel/air vapor hits the cool
    pulse line. If that condensate can not drain back into
    the engine it will collect in the pulse line or the fuel
    pump pulse chamber. Fluid trapped in a pulse line will
    weaken the pulse. Fluid trapped in the pump slows down
    the diaphram movement. Either one pumps less fuel.

    Rotax drills a tiny drain hole in the Mikuni pumps which
    they supply with their engines. That hole is located at
    the pulse port connection to drain both the pump pulse
    chamber and the pulse line if the pump is mounted right
    side up below the engine pulse connection. Click on the
    link below to see how to drill that hole. Some models
    have a 90 degree brass fitting with the hole in it at
    that location

    http://www3.sympatico.ca/murray.j/mikuni_pump.htm

    I don't do that because the hole weakens the pulse and
    it may get stopped up over time. I mount the pump above
    the engine pulse connection so that any pump fluid will
    drain out into the pulse line and the pulse line drains
    back into the engine. Do NOT bolt the pump solid to the
    engine. Use some form of mounting which isolates the
    pump from vibration and engine heat

    Long pulse lines, leaks in the pulse line and thin wall
    tubing which expands and contracts with the pulses also
    weaken the pulses. Weak pulses move the diaphram less
    so less fuel is pumped. Pulse lines must be less than
    18 inches long so the pump must be located near the
    engine pulse connection. You can swap the engine pulse
    connection from one cylinder to the other to help keep
    the pulse line short.

    It's not easy to do all that so even plane manufacturers
    sometimes take the easy way out. Problems may develop
    over time as condensate builds up in the fuel pump or
    pulse line.

    I recommend the round Mikuni pump since it can pump up
    to 9 gallons (35 liters) an hour ... but that is only
    when they are installed correctly. Remember that they
    will pump less if they have any installation problems.
    Both outlets come from the same internal chamber so just
    plug off one outlet if you only need one output line.

    Its VERY rare to hear of any problem with a Mikuni pump
    if it is installed correctly. They have been used on
    many brands of cycles, ATVs, jet skis and snomobiles for
    many years. They don't require electrical power and
    they are simple devices with few moving parts. Those
    parts are replaced during a low cost rebuild which is so
    easy that anyone can do it.

    I think they are more reliable than electric fuel pumps
    so I use a round Mikuni which I replace every two years
    and I don't have any backup pump on my plane. If I was
    concerned I would install a second Mikuni pump for a
    backup. Most engines have pulse connections on each
    cylinder. There is no reason why both pulse connections
    could not be used at the same time to drive two Mikuni
    fuel pumps. Do NOT connect two pumps to the same engine
    impulse connection. Both would recieve weak pulses.

    FUEL TANKS AND THEIR CONNECTIONS
    Be a little leary of fiberglass and other composite fuel
    tanks. Every once in a while we hear about a tank which
    partially disolved because of ethanol or some other fuel
    additive.

    I don't like holes anywhere in a fuel tank except at the
    top. Its not a question of IF they will leak ... its a
    question of WHEN (and how much) they will leak. All
    connections should be at the top to avoid that problem.

    I don't care what you use to filter your fuel or how
    careful you are, there WILL be crap and water in your
    fuel tank. Your first line of defense is to leave a
    little room at the bottom of the tank where the crap can
    settle out before it gets into the fuel lines. Make a
    tool to clean your tanks and use it often. Use a piece
    of 1/4 inch OD stainless or aluminium tubing long enough
    to reach the bottom of your tank through the filler
    opening and still leave enough for you to hold as you
    guide the bottom end to the low spots in the tank. Slip
    a piece of 1/4 inch ID Tygothane tubing over one end of
    the metal tube then attach a squeeze bulb to the open
    end of the Tygothane tubing. By squeezing the bulb you
    can suck out trash and water. Just like cleaning your
    tropical fish tank at home.

    The main fuel supply should have a metal dip tube which
    goes through the top of the tank and ends about 1/2 inch
    above the bottom of the tank to keep it above any water
    and grit thats in the tank. Do NOT let dip tubes lay
    against the bottom or side of the tank. That can seal
    off the open end or let vibration rub a hole in the tank.
    Don't use copper tubing with fuel because it corrodes in
    gas quickly. I know that brass fittings do NOT corrode
    but brass is NOT the same as copper tubing which DOES
    corrode. Aluminium or stainless tubing will work fine.
    Very large engines might need as much as 3/8 OD X .035
    wall tubing but 1/4 OD X .032 wall will easily handle 5
    or 6 gallons per hour. Do NOT use screens or filters on
    the bottom of the tube. Any screen or filter will stop
    up easier than the tube will, you will have a hard time
    cleaning or replaceing it and you already need a filter
    right at the pump inlet anyway.

    If the tank doesn't have any connections on top use a
    stainless steel PANEL MOUNT COUPLING through the top of
    the tank. McMaster-Carr #5182K375 fits 1/4 OD tubing.

    This coupling is like a normal tubing coupling except it
    has a section in the middle which is threaded so that it
    can be inserted through a hole and mounted solidly in
    place by a nut. If you install a 7/16 viton, nylon, or
    PTFE washer as a gasket outside the tank it will seal in
    fumes. McMaster-Carr #90295A186 is nylon. To protect
    it use a #92141 stainless washer under the mounting nut.

    The tubing nut and ferrule inside the tank are not used
    so the dip tube can be removed later. The tubing nut
    and ferrule outside the tank will hold the dip tube in
    place, seal around it and allow removal of the dip tube.
    There is a small shoulder inside the coupling that needs
    to be drilled out with a 1/4 inch bit before the tubing
    will slide all the way through the coupling.

    Most tanks have a small filler opening so here are some
    tricks to help install connections. Large drill bits
    make a sloppy hole in soft plastic so drill a small hole
    then use a tapered hand reamer to enlarge the hole to
    the correct size. Don't forget to deburr the hole.

    Drop a string through the hole then fish the string out
    through the filler opening. Remove both tubing nuts and
    the mounting nut from the coupling then push the string
    through the coupling. Tie a nut on the end so it can't
    pull back through the coupling then drop the coupling in
    the tank. The string will help guide the coupling to
    the hole as you pull it out. Hold the coupling in place
    as you cut the string. Install a viton or nylon gasket
    then a stainless flat washer to protect the gasket. Use
    Locktite and install the mounting nut. Put both pieces
    of the ferrule and the tubing nut loosely on the top of
    the coupling and slide the dip tube through the coupling
    to the bottom of the tank. Pull it back up at least 1/2
    inch before you tighten the tubing nut. Some tanks with
    flat tops may dish down in the middle over time. Pull
    the dip tube further up to allow for that.

    Only planes capable of inverted flight need flexible
    lines inside the fuel tank. Those flexible lines WILL
    be a real pain in the butt later. Do NOT use them.

    I use a seperate 1/4 inch dip tube for my hand pump
    primer because defective primers can leak air into the
    main fuel suction line. Some people do tee into that
    line to supply the primer. If you must do that, use a
    metal or nylon tee fitting. Plain plastic fittings may
    break easily and are not rated for use with gasoline.

    Of course vent lines must come out of the top of the
    tank. A cheap fitting to use for vents is a metal valve
    stem for tubeless truck tires from an automotive store.
    They have a nut for solid mounting through the tank but
    the rubber seal furnished with them may not be suitable
    for use with gasoline. Throw it away and use viton or
    nylon washers as gaskets as discussed above for dip
    tubes. Remove and discard the valve core before you
    slide Tygothane tubing over the fitting. If you run the
    vent tubing down past the bottom of the tank, fuel will
    not leak out if you flip the plane over. I stick a fuel
    filter on the open end. It keeps bugs out of the fuel
    tank and serves as a spare fuel filter on cross country
    flights. If you extend the vent line out the bottom of
    the plane it will keep fumes and any slosh overflow out
    of the cockpit. Any vent built into the filler cap can
    be sealed to prevent slosh leakage and fumes when the
    tank is vented this way.

    New tanks and lines often have construction crap left in
    them which causes problems on the first flight. Clean
    and flush them out before you trust them.

    FUEL, VENT AND PULSE LINES
    ALL these lines should be Tygothane only since gasoline
    fumes attack lines just like gasoline. Tygon is NOT the
    same as Tygothane. Be very careful. Some tubing is
    rated "for fuel use" and that is NOT the same as "for
    gasoline use". If tubing is not rated for gasoline it
    is not safe for our use and very little of the tubing
    sold anywhere is rated for gasoline. Color doesn't tell
    you what the tubing is rated for and makes it harder to
    see air bubbles inside the line. Some plastics become
    soft or disolve over time when used with gasoline. Other
    plastics become brittle after a year or so then crack or
    break under vibration. Rubber automotive fuel line can
    shed rubber particles from inside and may get soft with
    our oil/fuel mixtures plus you can't see air bubbles
    inside the line. McMaster-Carr sells clear Tygothane
    tubing which IS designed for gasoline use and it stays
    flexible for years. Part #5549K33 is 1/4 ID X 3/8 OD
    and #5549K34 is 1/4 ID X 1/2 OD.

    The heavy wall type must be used for the impulse line
    and on the suction side of the fuel pump or vaccuum may
    cause those lines to collapse. The lines on the outlet
    side of the pump and the vent lines can be either wall
    thickness.

    Automotive type worm gear hose clamps often let air leak
    into suction line connections because the small size we
    need doesn't form a circle very well. McMaster-Carr
    sells nylon double snap grip clamps which work well.
    Part #9579K63 is typical but get the right size. They
    also sell spring steel wire formed into a circle as
    "constant tension spring" clamps. Part #5324K61 is
    typical but get the right size. They also sell a band
    tightened by a nut and bolt. Part #5412K48 is typical
    but get the right size.

    If all else fails wrap two turns of safety wire around
    the connection and twist it tight but don't cut into the
    tubing.

    FUEL FILTERS
    There is a lot of discussion about fuel filters. Some
    Cessna pilot "experts" claim that any small stuff which
    goes through the screens they use is so small that it
    goes through their fuel pumps, carbs and engines with no
    problem. Obviously that has worked for them for a long
    time but you need to remember the differences in planes
    and engines.

    Their engines are much larger so they need larger jets
    in their carbs. Our smaller jets are easier to stop up.
    The main problem is that our fuel pumps depend on two
    internal flapper valves being able to seal properly up
    to 100 times a second at 6000 RPM. Grit that gets
    through screens can keep those flapper valves from
    sealing shut properly. When that happens our pumps may
    not pump enough fuel to keep us in the air. Most of us
    install a fuel filter just before the fuel goes into the
    fuel pump to protect the pump from grit.

    Purolator (and others) make a filter with a glass bowl
    to trap sediment. You can take them apart to replace
    the filter and clean out the bowl. It works fine on the
    pump output and there is no problem with them there.
    Unfortunately we need a filter on the pump intake and
    there is suction there. You may have already noticed
    that suction is harder to seal than pressure if you had
    a hard time keeping air bubbles from leaking into your
    suction line connections. The seal at the filter bowl
    was NOT designed to handle suction and if you try to use
    it on the suction side of fuel pumps it WILL suck air
    into your fuel system. Many UL pilots have known this
    for years and avoid them ... but every once in a while a
    newbie will use one then post that he has a problem with
    bubbles in the suction line.

    Some internet "experts" claim that filters should not be
    used on the suction side of pumps and use those posts as
    "proof". You should remember that many of the "experts"
    use wing tanks to gravity feed fuel to a lower engine.
    Their fuel doesn't need to be sucked up to the engine so
    they are not familar with our fuel pumps or the suction
    needed. They claim that the bubbles are "vaporizeing"
    out of the fuel because a high vacuum is needed to suck
    fuel through a filter. Thats not true.

    It is true that a high vacuum in fuel lines and/or high
    temperatures can cause "vapor lock" when fuel vaporizes
    but that is NOT what is happening here. The vacuum used
    normally isn't much more than we generate when we suck
    on a hose to siphon gas and those bubbles are present
    even when the temperature is below freezeing. Its real
    easy to prove that those bubbles are simply air leaking
    into the suction line ... just replace the glass bowl
    filter with a different type of filter and there are no
    more air bubbles in your suction line.

    These same "experts" have claimed that our other filters
    leak air into suction lines. Thats not true. The ONLY
    reports of air leaks are those glass bowl filters and
    tubing connections which use the wrong clamps.

    Some fuel filters use a sintered bronze element. That
    type element doesn't have much surface area so it won't
    take long for them to get stopped up. I don't recommend
    them.

    It's hard to beat the plain old pleated paper type fuel
    filters which have been used in cars, boats cycles and
    many other applications for years. I highly recommend
    them. Some "experts" claim that small amounts of water
    in fuel will stop them up. Thats not true. A simple
    experiment with a filter and a squeeze bulb will easily
    suck water through the filter. You should trap water in
    the fuel tank before it can get to the filter anyway.
    The Cessna "experts" should think of the tank as a big
    gascolator. We just use a filter outside instead of a
    screen inside.

    Some "experts" claim that its better to use a gascolator
    because filters will stop up. The reason filters stop
    up is because they are doing their job of keeping stuff
    out of our pumps. Simply replace filters twice a year
    or any time the engine will not reach full RPM or if you
    notice higher than normal EGT readings at full throttle
    and there is no problem.

    SQUEEZE BULBS, CHOKES AND PRIMERS
    A squeeze bulb will only pump fuel to refill the carb
    bowls and lines which have drained down while the plane
    was sitting. It will NOT squirt fuel into the intake
    manifold to help the engine start like a hand pump
    primer. It will NOT enrichen the mixture to help cold
    engines run smoother like a choke. Some people have had
    so much trouble with squeeze bulbs that they refuse to
    use them. Squeeze bulbs should be replaced once a year
    to minimize problems like splitting, leaking, shedding
    rubber particles into the fuel or failure of their built
    in check valves. I do NOT recommend them.

    Our "choke" is actually just a seperate fuel path inside
    the carb which allows fuel to flow through a seperate
    jet. That enrichens the mixture to help cold engines
    run smoother but it doesn't "prime" the engine or fill
    the carb bowls and fuel lines. I don't use mine at all.

    A hand primer pump squirts a little fuel into the intake
    manifold every time you pump it. Proper use eliminates
    any need for a squeeze bulb and the choke. It does take
    a little experience to learn how many times to pump it
    before starting the engine and when to pump it to keep
    the engine running while the carb bowls and fuel lines
    refill and the engine warms up a little. I recommend
    them highly.

    FUEL PRESSURE GAUGE OR LIGHT
    I'm a firm believer in KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) so I
    won't bother putting one on my plane. Some people do
    like to have a fuel pressure gauge or a light that comes
    on when fuel pressure drops below 2 PSI. Thats okay as
    long as you understand what you are really seeing. You
    need to see the pressure right at the carb inlet. If
    you just tee into the fuel line there and run a line
    down to a gauge mounted on the panel you will see the
    head pressure of the fuel in that line added to the
    actual pressure at the carb. You need a 10 PSI gauge
    but normal cheap gauges are NOT very accurate near the
    ends of their scales and can not survive vibration very
    long. You have also added the potential problem of fuel
    leaks and fire in the cockpit. Electronic sensors for
    an EIS or a pressure switch for an indicator light
    installed near the carb solve those problems but are
    they really useful?

    Expect a wide variation in readings during the normal
    operation of the plane and make sure that the pilot
    understands what those variations mean. Most fuel
    problems are a very slow reduction in the amount of fuel
    delivered as a pump wears out or a filter gets stopped
    up. A fuel pressure gauge might let me see that problem
    develop over a long time but I don't need to include
    that gauge in my normal scan of panel instruments.

    The EGT gauge IS included in my normal scan of panel
    instruments and it will give me early warning of fuel
    starvation problems by showing higher than normal EGT
    temperatures any time a weak fuel system can not provide
    enough fuel at full throttle on climbout. Even if a
    filter did suddenly get stopped up enough to give high
    EGT while I'm at cruise speed, I know that if the EGT
    will go back down when I reduce throttle I can limp a
    long way to a safe landing at reduced throttle.

    Neither the fuel pressure gauge or the EGT will give any
    warning of a sudden failure so fly like the prop could
    stop turning at any time and practice emergency landings.

    THE BOTTOM LINE
    You should NEVER attempt the first takeoff until you are
    100% positive that your new fuel system will provide
    enough fuel under all conditions. Tie the plane down
    and run it at full throttle to be certain that it won't
    starve for gas during takeoff and check closely for
    leaks then be prepared for the engine to quit on takeoff.
    ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

  • XC Triker

    After reading the above article, I'm more convinced that a Racor fuel/water filter gains a huge margin of safety-- and since it has the same number of connections (2) as the simple tiny filter it replaces, it does not add complexity.

    Seeing the tiny debris it filters out, even AFTER I use a Mr. Funnel religiously to pre-filter all fuel, I can't help wonder if removing that fine grit helps reduce wear on the fuel pump, etc !!??

  • Jeff

    Tom, this is great stuff.  We should all end up with better fuel back up systems as a result.  The reason I turn mine on for take offs & landing is because that is what I was taught back in the 70's when I got my pilots license in a "real" airplane.  The teachings went like this. If your mechanical fuel pump is weak or going to fail it will do it at the worst possible time, which is take offs & landings, so keep your auxiliary running during these times.  I can't imagine why this would be different for a 912 vs a Lycoming.  I have added to this, any time I'm low in the backcountry.  I spend a lot of time flying over pretty unlandable areas.  I think you might have once or twice also.   We live in Idaho not Nebraska....for a reason.!  I believe my plane is just as reliable as the Cessna's & Piper Cubs that are flying in the wilderness areas over unlandable terrain all the time.  Until now I thought I had a pretty good backup system. I would love to have a PROVEN redundant fuel delivery system that I can run all the time if I wanted to.  I'm sure the technology is out there.  I guess a true backup system would mean even going to a second pickup in the tank.  hmmmm.  Question for anyone....What is the simplest fuel pressure gauge system for a 912? 

    we really need to find out why that facet pump failed you.  Where are facet pumps manufactured?  Have you thought about seeing if the factory would analyze it...or is that a bad idea.

  • Ken

    Great article, thanks for posting that, Thanks for posting the Video also TTAbs

  • XC Triker

    (Photo Attached) When we got back to Spokane (having cut our Pre-Elk River back-country flying short because of two trikes having fuel pump problems) I dissected Ttab's accessory (secondary) Fuel pump.  The one he thought CAUSED (not prevented) his engine out in the above video (taken a few weeks before our big trip).

    Facet Pump

    The Facet pump is very basic: an oscillating piece of metal with a one way valve on one end shuffles back and forth in a nylon tube that has an induced electric current around it.  This oscillating piece has a one way valve at one end-- thus as it moves in one direction it lets fuel flow past it and as it returns, it forces fuel forward ahead of the now closed valve- back and forth, back and forth.  An additional one way valve (oriented in the same direction) is at the entry end of the pump.  Very simple.  There was nothing in this pump that appeared responsible for the symptom of "blocking" all fuel flow (Ttabs had it installed in series with his main pump).  Possibly a little Teflon tape????

     

    The mystery deepens!!  Now with an additional Rotax Fuel Pump recall new questions are arising in our minds:

    1. Is it better not to have a fuel pressure gauge (as most of us do not) and be blissfully ignorant of the red light / low pressure Tom thought he was having on the trip?
    2. With what seems like a Rotax Fuel Pump recall (Service Bulletin) every year lately, is it better to install a fuel pressure gauge as an early warning?  Or is it better / less complex (since pump failures usually result in visible leakage from the weep holes first and reportedly not fuel delivery failure) to just visually inspect your pump before each flight like we all do.
    3. Was Ttabs on the right track installing an accessory fuel pump???  It was thought in this video above that that accessory fuel pump and complications actually CAUSED the engine out.  Now the question is  DID IT  ??!!

     

    (As a side note, we also proved multiple times on our latest adventure that the Tanarg's excellent 3-wheel-disc brake system is more than capable of easily holding back a screaming 100HP 912 at full revs.  Something I don't know of other trikes being able to claim.)

  • XC Triker

    Hey YFT (@Yarraft) where's those photos and description of the special knowledge you discovered about connecting fuel hose without which resistance goes up significantly?  We found one of Ttabs fuel hose with a simple barbed connector had a significant amount of resistance  it was one of several aha moments when we thought (erroneously) we discovered the problem.

  • Ttabs

    I too await YFT's comments.  I'll be working on the fuel lines again this weekend.  I have a new Racor 2micron filter to install, and I'm going to completely re-wire the fuel pressure unit from the sender to the instrument panel.  I also received in the mail the check valves from McMaster-Carr (recommended in the article above).  Not sure about these things yet but I'd like to do some testing on them.  

    Also worth mentioning is I checked the air vent lines on both carbs and the fuel tank.  They too have been known to cause problems like this in Tanargs.  

    I'm also thinking of using a 5/16 ths fuel line from the tank to the pump.  Problem is it still has to go through the fuel flow sending unit (2mm jet).   

  • XC Triker

    The 2mm fuel flow sending jet has always bothered me.  It makes me feel better that I have the Racor in front of it filtering at 2 microns though!

    Ken has one of the new style fuel flow senders.  Ken do you know if it has a 2mm jet?  Any jet at all (best would be sensing flow by magnetic induction, or some non-invasive method)?  Cost?  Why did MGL stop using the previous one (which I have) altogether?