Montycosmos racer

a wee bit o wake burbulance

By Monty

Categories: Safety

Comments (11)

i figured that the plane i was following in was 'clean' and fast and far enough ahead of me for his wake to be 'gone' by the time i got there! not quite so, air was calm so the 'burbs' hung around longer. it swung me fairly hard right then slammed me down, shortening my run-out! another lesson re-learned. it felt a bit more than it looks on video. whine, sniffle and sob.

Comments

  • Admin

    Lookin' good Monty!

  • Rick D

    Hey, at least you were able to turn off at the numbers. ;) I know what you mean about the video not showing how bad it felt. My Flying the Wedge video had some eye opening, close to check your shorts turbelence that didn't look so bad on film.

  • Jozinko

    Unpleasant experience. But you did it well

  • Ken

    Wahoo! looks like quite a wild ride. Saw the plane in front fo you cross the threshold at 00:47, you hit the burb at 1:12, looks like the air was still well mixed 25 seconds later. Good you got her down with you both in once piece (each)

  • Wile E Scott

    I'm still amazed at how you taxied right off active at the numbers! Nice reaction time. Did get considering how fast that happened. I'm flying at an airport with a lot more heavies than I'm use to so I'm watching this issue for myself closely.

  • Damien

    Hey Monty, nice video. Just checking in, I noticed the Control Bar appeared to be in it's neutral position all the time in the video.

    Normally I would have the Bar in to the chest area on final (max speed) and flare it out (slow down the air speed) as much as I can (sometimes until it touches the compression strut). Check out the 20 - 30 second mark in this old video (it was smooth air, and no engine landing which can change things).

    Let me know as I may be totally missing something and off mark here !

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    Cheers,

    Damien

  • Jozinko

    Yes Damien, I always do it like you. To have trike under control at higher air speed and slowly push the bar out some foot over rwy only... Video is a little long, but you can see my landing technique with and without engine. 

    http://alltrikes.com/elgg/videos/view/94290/training

  • Monty

    hi damien, the bar actually was a tad forward of trim and i would have flared but the downdraft 'put' me on the deck a little early. my video ldg#3294.mmv (on trike pilot) same place, no turdulance shows flareing taking place. i don't always land the same way, sometimes i'll 'fly' it on, sometimes deliberately landing downwind, just to familiarise myself with various situations. if you do the same thing over and over you do get good at that one thing, but, conditions aren't always predictable so when you apply your 'one thing' landing, for instance bar forward, lowest airspeed and wham an updraft hoists you four feet in the air, auntie drag and uncle gravity wins! just my own thoughts on 're connecting with ground'.

    your control frame is much longer than mine, (no length envy taking place!) therefore your control movement is necessarily further than mine to achieve similar wing aoa change. my trike has a very short control frame , relatively thus a very short movement of the 'suggestion' bar translates to a wing aoa sufficient to change lift/drag ratio. my wing stalls WAY before touching the down strut, a fact that pisses off the 'trike gurus', who insist that you MUST always push out till you'r teeth bleed! or it's a 'failed landing'. ps. a failed landing has you upside-down in a ditch bleeding from your arse-hole wondering what went wrong! monty.

  • Monty

    don't flare in the air, wait until you're almost there! i posted a video on 'the dark side' a few years ago of my 2006 arizona 'crash'. i was flying my home built trike where i shouldn't have been, 50ft up over thick scrub when my crank seized, ( not a rotax, but also teutonic) with only 5secs till 'arrival' no plan but instinctively i cruised down slowly flaring until i was within a foot or two at wich time the bar was at full stall. i pulled the bar back in my gut as i hit. that bar becomes vicious if you leave it full out. it'll break your puny little arms, wheras with it in your gut it can only push and not SLAM into you. my wing was a 12.9 chronos and not a 'slow' wing, but it provided enough 'chute' to soften the 'landing' my front wheel hit a stump (which had waited patiently for years for me to hit it!) the trike did a 'nose stand' (don't try this at home, or anywhere else) though it is fun to watch, and should be an olympic event, then settled on its' left side. there was no damage to the wing, apart from hang plates twisted, the front of the fairing was 'altered', the forks bent back, not much else. i never got a scratch. i guess my reason in bringing up this 'old news' is to NOT fully flare until you're 'almost there'.  in my early fixed wing training,1989, my instructer accused me of parking the plane 4 feet up and waiting for the runway to be jacked up for my tires to reach it. diatribe finished! monty

  • Monty

    if anyones curious to see what a trike 'crash' is like from the drivers seat it's on trike pilot 'my movie,2006 CRASH PART ONE. WMV. it was with a blog i wrote 'how to crash a trike'. monty

     

     

     

  • Damien

    >>the trike did a 'nose stand'

    Glad to hear you are safe! 

    >> though it is fun to watch, and should be an olympic event

    http://tomclynes.photoshelter.com/image/I0000Nrmc1mlXeFg