Ever heard a student retort their instructor, "Don't think I'm ready to solo yet Chief. Need a few more lessons". Interesting viewer feedback on host site.
Wow, the YouTube comments as usual are typical garbage. Most bashed on the pilot, or even the type of airplane he was flying "Experimental!!!???" As if that awesome P-51 Mustang they saw wasn't experimental!!
This comment, was somewhat OK (at least brought in some facts):
I love how everyone was commenting on the throttle and how he's a student pilot entirely based on the videos title and description. Guess what! He's a pilot of ten years and he clearly had a loss of power. Not sure why he couldn't make the highway or land away from the trees but he survived uninjured so I guess it worked well enough. http://kathrynaviationnews.com/?p=157067
This was a real crash. It was an experienced pilot, that reported power loss after takeoff. The crash happened at Skylark Field Airport (KILE) near Killeen, TX on 10 AUG 2013. The aircraft registration - N27BD. NTSB report ID - CEN13LA478. http://kathrynaviationnews.com/?p=157067. All the discussion about where his hands should/or should not have been after takeoff seems moot, considering the pilot lost power.
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The others don't seem to want to let little things like FACTS, or lack of experience get in their way of bashing a pilot, plane, or sport they know nothing about.
I also think the guy in the end of the video is not the pilot, but his friend who turned on the camera pre-flight for him?? That's my speculation, but many people bashing on that person's non-chalant attitude-- I don't think that was the pilot.
If / when I crash (no one should think they're beyond an accident) I now understand that our entire sport will be dragged through the mud for being such an idiot to fly what we fly. :(
(to see the youtube comments, click on the "YouTube" link at the bottom right of the video itself)
Well i didnt read all the comments but as far as iam concerened .the old classic altitude is youre friend aplies here. Had the pilot did a proper climb and pattern it would have been successful landing after e/o. Apears to me there is a little exabishinist goin on there. This time plane ( lucky) next time life.even if you are going to do some low flying over terra firma isint a good idea to go get some altituide and make sure youre bird is up to it.when i worked for pegasas aeriel sports the stearman pt 17 we rented to a couple of pilots who got in the hot seat after take off rounding out a low pattern landing on top of a 210. Killed both people in the cessna .i watched as the stearman strattled the cessna flipping up on end putting the radial engine in the cessnas cockpit.(not pretty).poor skills here i think.
From what I can see, he engined out on take off, right as he was turning to the R crosswind. I don't think climbing more was an option for him. He did have some options, but climbing was not one of them. That's what I see-- I'm just a youtube viewer though.
Left cross wind or slightly left, or really hard right might have been better ... but hitting a fluffy tree dead center is not the worst. Sometimes that might be the best (not sure if that was this time though)
Viewing it on you tube indicates something about not keeping his hand on the throttle and having the friction lock failing causing the power reduction.
Not sure xc but because the breaks in the footage iam left with the impression that he was flying low for a while after leaving the runway.sometimes its hard to tell.there is another e/o video of a guy in a cessna having an e/0 very simular to this one .the rules say keep it straight ahead but with a quick turn and thinking he put it down in a small clearing very nicely.
One advantage of trikes is that by the time you are ready to solo you are instinctively trained step on the gas when you sense fear. I doubt this sort of accident (letting the throttle close by itself) could happen on a trike.
I don't know, I hear the engine running rough toward the end and plenty of time to push the throttle but no RPM surge. Maybe not. Regardless, I think it's more educational for us to wonder what would we have done if in similar situation with true engine out ...
Looks like definitely he was just off the end of the runway-- so poor climb out. In retrospect, he should have aborted the take off midfield with that poor of a climb. Looks like the patter must be right, but he's not getting the fact that he's loosing alt and goes ahead probably by habit into a right crosswind. At that point to me it looks like he's screwed (further right now I see is asphalt but it's an active road, and would require a sharp jog to get to. Slightly less to the right, power lines and a building between the road and the trees ... slightly more to the left, he would've hit the tree off center and that can be really bad, cartwheeling him to the ground (takes guts to hit a tree head on, if that's what he meant to do-- I'm not sure I could do it if needed, I think I might try and squeeze it to the side / between trees, then eat shit cartwheeling into the ground.)
Had he initiated a left off the runway, he might have been able to make the clearing, but he (probably by habit/pattern) initiated a right and sealed the deal. So ... I'm thinking basically the only way out should've been to abort his takeoff when he didn't make a minimum altitude he should have in his mind at mid-field.
Well, that's my thinking ... good to think about it, how else will you have practiced it in your head? Ok, now tell me what you think I have wrong about it? Help save my life ... ;)
Hey @Yarraft , you've been quiet about this ... what do you think?
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Ever heard a student retort their instructor, "Don't think I'm ready to solo yet Chief. Need a few more lessons". Interesting viewer feedback on host site.
Wow, the YouTube comments as usual are typical garbage. Most bashed on the pilot, or even the type of airplane he was flying "Experimental!!!???" As if that awesome P-51 Mustang they saw wasn't experimental!!
This comment, was somewhat OK (at least brought in some facts):
Ashley00c 2 days ago
The others don't seem to want to let little things like FACTS, or lack of experience get in their way of bashing a pilot, plane, or sport they know nothing about.
I also think the guy in the end of the video is not the pilot, but his friend who turned on the camera pre-flight for him?? That's my speculation, but many people bashing on that person's non-chalant attitude-- I don't think that was the pilot.
If / when I crash (no one should think they're beyond an accident) I now understand that our entire sport will be dragged through the mud for being such an idiot to fly what we fly. :(
(to see the youtube comments, click on the "YouTube" link at the bottom right of the video itself)
Well i didnt read all the comments but as far as iam concerened .the old classic altitude is youre friend aplies here.
Had the pilot did a proper climb and pattern it would have been successful landing after e/o. Apears to me there is a little exabishinist goin on there. This time plane ( lucky) next time life.even if you are going to do some low flying over terra firma isint a good idea to go get some altituide and make sure youre bird is up to it.when i worked for pegasas aeriel sports the stearman pt 17 we rented to a couple of pilots who got in the hot seat after take off rounding out a low pattern landing on top of a 210. Killed both people in the cessna .i watched as the stearman strattled the cessna flipping up on end putting the radial engine in the cessnas cockpit.(not pretty).poor skills here i think.
From what I can see, he engined out on take off, right as he was turning to the R crosswind. I don't think climbing more was an option for him. He did have some options, but climbing was not one of them. That's what I see-- I'm just a youtube viewer though.
Left cross wind or slightly left, or really hard right might have been better ... but hitting a fluffy tree dead center is not the worst. Sometimes that might be the best (not sure if that was this time though)
You know, this is a good video in that it get's you thinking-- what if that was me ....
Seconds to figure it out ...
Viewing it on you tube indicates something about not keeping his hand on the throttle and having the friction lock failing causing the power reduction.
Not sure xc but because the breaks in the footage iam left with the impression that he was flying low for a while after leaving the runway.sometimes its hard to tell.there is another e/o video of a guy in a cessna having an e/0 very simular to this one .the rules say keep it straight ahead but with a quick turn and thinking he put it down in a small clearing very nicely.
One advantage of trikes is that by the time you are ready to solo you are instinctively trained step on the gas when you sense fear. I doubt this sort of accident (letting the throttle close by itself) could happen on a trike.
I don't know, I hear the engine running rough toward the end and plenty of time to push the throttle but no RPM surge. Maybe not. Regardless, I think it's more educational for us to wonder what would we have done if in similar situation with true engine out ...
Looks like definitely he was just off the end of the runway-- so poor climb out. In retrospect, he should have aborted the take off midfield with that poor of a climb. Looks like the patter must be right, but he's not getting the fact that he's loosing alt and goes ahead probably by habit into a right crosswind. At that point to me it looks like he's screwed (further right now I see is asphalt but it's an active road, and would require a sharp jog to get to. Slightly less to the right, power lines and a building between the road and the trees ... slightly more to the left, he would've hit the tree off center and that can be really bad, cartwheeling him to the ground (takes guts to hit a tree head on, if that's what he meant to do-- I'm not sure I could do it if needed, I think I might try and squeeze it to the side / between trees, then eat shit cartwheeling into the ground.)
Had he initiated a left off the runway, he might have been able to make the clearing, but he (probably by habit/pattern) initiated a right and sealed the deal. So ... I'm thinking basically the only way out should've been to abort his takeoff when he didn't make a minimum altitude he should have in his mind at mid-field.
Well, that's my thinking ... good to think about it, how else will you have practiced it in your head? Ok, now tell me what you think I have wrong about it? Help save my life ... ;)
Hey @Yarraft , you've been quiet about this ... what do you think?