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A+B=Crash
Very scary to see it in real time. My friend Jose from Guatemala had a trike crash
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Dam looks like he came in pretty hot,maybe exstend downwind little longer.seems he had enough altitude to slow things up a bit.one thing I never here talked about in triking is preparing for impact.I was taught that just before impact take you're arms and limber up and tuck it would have saved those breaks in the arm caused by going through control bar.a very common injury in hang gliding.so glad you're ok Jose, con mies amigo.
Ouch!!! That sucks. Isn't this the guys that were in a video showing them 2 person in a small trike wanging through trees at low level, and actually clips a branch with a wingtip in one of the videos? The aggressive diving / slipping turn to final looked like the same style-- You're right David, he ate up a bunch of good runway behind, and the extra speed didn't help.
I think letting go of the downtubes on impact in HG is a good idea, your body will swing over the control bar (head can crash through sail, or worse hit keel though). However, letting go with trike, your hands are on basetube, and chest (heart/lungs, aorta, spine behind, etc) will now impact basetube all that much harder--- are the arms part of the safety "crumple zone" protecting the chest in this case?????
Hey xc so I don't see where control bar impact really has been addressed.I know of the airbag thing but seems kind off impractical?I don't see why a kevlar Cushing couldn't be added to belt harness say like the old catchers wore? it would absorb the impact of bar while protecting vital areas of the body.hey I,LL r/d that.
Ouch, that makes me ache just watching!
But do I understand right, that this was an emergency landing?
Jackye, you are right, the video says A= gliding back with no gas + B someone closed the gate = Crash. I'm not quite ready to say that running out of gas over your home field was an "Emergency."
Additionally, aside from no ability to go around due to no gas, did "no gas" actually cause this crash? I could see the same thing occurring with gas due to the landing technique.
A= minor issue + B the unexpected / planned for = Crash
The unexpected occurrence is usually not what the pilot expected
Hi Jackie they ran out of fuel but it looked to me to be a bad approach they had lots of altitude to take more runway behind.and definitely diving steep turn to much airspeed with only short runway left.looks like a panicked approach instead of keeping it in check and slowing it all down and doing it right.going flying this wewk end jackie
I saw it few times... You all said all what happened. But did you see his right foot? When I saw it first time I asked himself: where is his right foot? After secon view I know it... he used it as brake
Probably right Jozinko, perhaps the long approach didn't worry him until he saw the closed gate, by then it was all too late. Looks like that big rock might have had some influence on the arm injury
Yes @XCTriker - this is the same pilot that trimmed the trees in another video
I dont think it Ken. It was the control bar
RE the video Ken linked to with this pilot: "There's no old, bold pilots" This time the little things got him. He was out proving on video how he could cheat death on the big things, but the little thing broke his arm-- couple more miles an hour, or wire on the throat and double fatality instead.
Had what I written about earlier today gone the other way, everyone would have said I was "STUPID!" but I wasn't trying or doing anything particularly bold. It was really just A momentary reduction of caution plus B the unexpected that almost resulted in a double fatality. Purposefully reducing all safety to zero makes no sense. Altitude and caution prevent tears.
BTW Ken, I saw a different video of him clipping trees (you can see the wing tip in slo-mo take leaves off), with passenger. So that's at least two videos and flights with him doing that.
yes Ken it was the Control bar you can see it break in slow motion on the left arm and the impact on the right.a very common injury in hang gliding usually a spiral fracture of the arm. Jozinko really good eye buddy I watched it 5 times and had to do a double take when you said that.looks like he tried to steer right to avoid barb wire.that don't belong there on runway it,ll cut you in half.
I would never call you stupid David period.after watching old bold through the trees well the trees just jumped up and got in the way wow? Jose accident waiting to happen and happened.2nd time is a charm in triking.the only good thing here is that it reinforces what I've said about low and slow and low and fast niether are worth the risk and it happened south of the boarder were one can afford to fix both arm and wing.usa that would be 30gs just for arm. Great posting everyone
You're right David- broken arm in U.S. is potentially $30K + loss of work, plus permanent pain.
Maybe it's actually lucky no fuel in tank: A- Fuel Spill on momentarily pinned in people Plus B- hot exhaust = HELL.
Well not trying to be to hard on Jose.but I wonder if Jose is emulating a Larry Merrick video I saw (so here you have it in a nutshell
Posting of death defying over Tera ferma videos is just as irresponsible as Jose flying this way with passengers.ooohs and ahhhhs remember that for every action there is a equal and opposite reaction fly humbly
Disagree David, I don't know if there is any link between Larry M and this guy, but if you have spent enough time in a trike to learn the basic control then you should be well aware that it is going to take many hours experience to be able to fly any where near that level. It sounds harsh but it is survival of the fittest , smartest, strongest, that is what keeps the species strong. No doubt you've seen the vids of the wing suit guys flying through holes in canyon walls and tiny gaps between city buildings. Looks cool, doesn't make me want to do it though. You shouldn't take away the requirement for a person to be responsible for them selves, that's how we got this litigious society we now have.
Yeah, David, I see the point you are making but there's a sweet spot somewhere between all these things (societally, personally, freedom, responsibility-wise, etc) we are balancing. I'm personally comfortable saying that flying between under and through the trees (while looking at your camera to make sure it's "getting this") is way way outside that sweet spot.
"Fly safe, think of the impact on others, set a good example..." is the best you can advise. Then live as you advise.
That being said, the FAA believes it knows where the sweetspot is exceeded AND they like watching YouTube (see HERE) or :
http://digitaltexan.net/2013/state/biplane-stunt-texas-airport-hit-youtube-irks-faa/article45502/#.Ua_VE-tAtYI
Cameras!! Gifts from the Gods. (the Gods must be crazy, ... or bored)
It was very painful to watch, I hope he gets well soon but like others have said the way he flies, this was going to happen.
If you were in this situation would you have pushed to bar out to try and clear the fence?
well bill not trying in anyway to start contentions here in anyway.but I settle to disagree and that's ok.and weather there is a link to larrys or anyone else,s video is irrelevant.but the experienced pilots should bare some responsibility for videos that violate publicly what they would fail a student for on sp exam so we should do as they say not as they do (not good instruction) we are not training people to roller skate.people die in this sport.you can't be a leader and say well lets all try to be safer but don't be safe. If the knowledgeable pilots can't demonstrate what is safe skills than who can. It's not that important so I won't post on it again. Iam not a newbie Iam just protecting my own flying something I learned from hang gliding (watching people getting hurt or dying is depressing and negative Iam a firefighter and my wife runs the ambulance I've seen alot of it)question authority altitude is you're friend
No altitude is my friend time will tell who's the fittest to survive this is my opinion all is well I said it respectively if I can't say it I won't be here.
All good David, there are no hard feelings here, we are all friends mate
regards bill
You have very good points David, in my opinion, your opinion is always welcome here. ;) (more than welcome)
Rizzy, my guess is that he didn't have enough speed left to hop the fence by pushing out. But, he was in a light trike with single surface and no gas, but an extra person. Too much speed to stop (and bad brakes- Jozinko says he sees him using his feet to stop), and not enough speed to fly. Pushing out or pulling in might have helped with dynamic wing braking.
I for one enjoy watching videos of pilots who do things that I never in a million years would do. Anyway, the lessons I took away from this video are:
1. Always check out the landing area before it is too late to make alternate landing plans. This should be done every landing, even at familiar sites you just took off from.
2. Practice dead stick landings as often as possible. It looks to me like when the pilot noticed the fence he tried to dive down and land short when it might have been better to slow down and try to make it over the fence. This type of judgement call requires many, many engine out practice landings at all different speeds.
3. (My personal and often controversial opinion). Luckily the engine was off. Crashes are always worse with the engine running. Make all landings with the engine off.
4. When you realize things are about to really get ugly, move your thumbs to the same side of the bar as your fingers.
Anyways, that is what I learned from this. Thanks to Jose for posting so we can all learn something.
Thank you bill proof that alltrikes is reaching it's goals that we can disagree gracefully and Iam not saying that I don't watch videos of death defying flying where say tom or Larry m do it very well and controlled.certainly Iam concerned about it becoming a trend.so we should have sufficient information that this isn't the norm.
Charlie porter you fly a dragon fly that don't count how does a porche relate to a gremlin? (I love you're videos)hell you don't even have a TRIKE you have birds wings out there in Canada enjoying all that country to yourself.I watch all you're vids (you fly safe all the time I watch )so what makes you're videos any less exciting or Henrys he always demonstrates good safe altitude.I think your videos are more exciting I've watched larrys once yours and Henrys over and over? Man I wish I had a dragon fly?