Hi Henry! It's a very smooth flyer. When I flew it last at Calvada, I didn't want to land it, I was so temped to fly it for a while, but I had about 5 gallons, and didn't want to over do it. We needed to get back home that night so I was pressed for time. I picked her up from Twin falls Idaho Airport. :)
Leo, we know that exsact feeling in our first solo. My instructor Doug was kind enough letting me use his single seat trike for my first solo. It was a very nice sunset time with dead calm wind. I took off and the air was perfect. I kept flying and getting a little far from the airport. Doug call me in radio, said "Henry, don't go to far from the airport !!". I replied, "Doug, I know it. I'm trying stay close to the airport, but my hands move againt my intetion". It was the moment I felt real freedom in the air.
Alright guys and gals, I need some help deciding on my wing purchase. I've saved up for a new wing and I need to decide between an Aeros Profi TL or a NW Mustang 15M. Now I know those are not in the same league but I can't afford a 10K Conquest. So for some background, I'm at 33 hours, soloing, and currently fly a REALLY old NW MPulse1 19M wing. I have an older AC GTE with a 582. It is VERY slow and hard to handle in mild turbulence. I have to fold and fly out of a trailer so a folding wing is mandatory. So what say ye experts? I'm leaning towards the Profi TL.... Plan to make the purchase soon to take advantage of the low Euro. Leo has great things to say about his and the nice part is he has a 582 on a AC Clipper; should be a good proxi for mine.
wile s iam no expert but i have about 107 hours on my mustang 3. ive been very happy with it docile performance in pretty roudy turbulance. aeros profi as far as i know is also a great wing.one thing you might concider is your closness to northwing for service and parts. kameron is also great to work with. i dont think you would be doing bad with iether wing.
Wile, we have the same issue. I want a profi tl, but due to the fact that I trailer the trike and have to put it together makes my decision hard on getting the profi. The Mustang 3 sounds like a better choice at this time. I have a strutted Contour SL wing with around 400 hours of life left, so I think the Mustang 3 should be my next move, but no promises. I could get the Mustang and then sell it and purchase a profi if I find a hangar, unless I find a Profi for a good price. Right now I know the Mustang is the most convenient for my trailering needs.
I second what White Eagle mentioned about parts and service being closer to home. My Countour SL is a good wing, but I wish I could get the sail replaced when the time comes instead of buying a new wing.
Thanks for the advice Gentlemen. The fold and fly advantage of the Mustang is making this a difficult decision.... Very good point on getting a new sail for the frame if needed.... A mouse already killed one of my instructors wings. Jeez tough call
The mustang is a sweet flying wing. One of my favorites. I've flown the 15 and the 17. I much prefer the 15 for handling in rougher air that we have on a daily basis here in the desert. The only downside is the speed range. I think it flys at about one speed (55 - 60 depending on tuning), any more throttle an you just climb. The profi is double surface has excellent energy retension and speed range, and I think you can fold the Profi TL (strutted verion) wing btw - I think Leo is transporting his that way. I think the profi is a bit smaller though? so may chew up some of your horsepower on a 582, although I didn't have any trouble with the one I flew on a monsoon with a 582 and flew departing from the airport at 4700 ft over lake tahoe at 11000 feet, 2 up without an issue. You might check with Frank Dempsey, I think he is making a profi order soon, and is a dealer where you can get parts.
Thanks Ken. I'm emailing Frank about "what if a mouse east my wing" question. Aeros has been around for a long time. It would surprise me a bit if they would not sell just the fabric for a wing.
I also had a new wing sail made from an old wing sail - really incredible job by Ron Goncci of http://theultralightstore.biz . Took the old wing apart, created a pattern and fashioned a new one when the factory wouldn't
Ok so my 2 cents worth here. First the folding issue. Honestly, I don't know that it's any more involved than folding any other wing, with 2 exceptions. 1. If you have electric trim, it must be removed before folding the mast down. 2. Because it's a double surface, you have lower batons to remove.
As for the sail, I asked Chris. He said, if the sail needs to be replaced, you toss the whole wing and buy a new one. A modern flex wing hangared will likely last a couple of thousand hoursbefore it will fail fabric testing.
As a side note, I will say I have heard of Ron Goncci, and I hear he can replicate sails if you give him one to pattern off of.
Lastly, I'm a new spring chicken here....so my say doesn't have much weight. I'm not a "brand" guy, and I'm failry certain the wings mentioned here would fly very similarly to the Profi.
Thanks for the input Leo. On the east coast at least, it's the mice and rats that will force you to get new fabric. Seen it twice out here so far. That and we have all manor of traps and poison. The price we pay for grass strip runways I guess. I talked with Frank and he says he has done both of two options. You can get new sails from Aeros direct (expensive option but cheaper than new) AND Gibbo will do a pattern replacement for these wings as well. I guess Ron would too. So for that aspect, I'm not concerned with fabric replacement. I'll boobie trap the heck out of my trailer! Rats will run the gauntlet to get to my wing!
You can't go wrong with any of the advice given here. I will say, Ken hit one thing on the head.
Energy retention on the Profi TL is flat out sick. When I was doing touch and go's at Leo's, I would come in, around 50 ish,, pull out slightly over the threshhold, foot barely on the gas...2 foot off the deck....pull the bar in gently, and it was like the Milliniium Falcon, I kid you not man. I put my head back with the sudden acceleration. It just goes and goes and goes forever in ground effect!
I can totally see where someone who isn't gentle can get them selves in trouble in that scenerio.
Yousaw the video I sent ya.....check out the guys hands the entire time......he barely holds the wing.
wile both are good choices double surface will have better penitration in the turb hands down i think there both good wings. how confident are you in your skills. with any new wing i think you must also look at youre pilot skill and the changes you would make. ron goncci has been around a long time so if the choice came down to the profi wing with no sail optins i would totally be confident in ron gonci.
At least for me is a matter of the easiest to put together and transport, both are good wings like WE said, but of course the Mustang is less heavy, if you worry about your lower back. I would love to own a Profi TL, besides my trike is made by Aeros, but at the end I might just have Ron make me a new sail for my strutted Contour SL. And if I find good deal on a profi or mustang who knows what would happen. Hey Scott don't kill the rat, just tape it to the wing tip, go for a ride, and do a couple of wing overs. I bet the rat will tell it's friends not to mess with the barn sail demons.
Since we are taking a bit about Aeros, seems like one of their machines did pretty good last year. "World record for the longest distance flown without touchdown in a powered hang glider," 706km (439 miles or 381nm). Looks like it was done under a non-strutted Profi wing.
I fly Aeros Profi 14 and i love it. Its not TL. For better flying properties it has double surface and 14,2m wing surface. Its more easy to handling, because main carrier part of wing is in centre. There is wing "deep" and towards to ends, the wing is slim. Then its easier to handling when turbulent or thermal weather is and you get a bump to one side only. The wing has 11 upper tubes (button? spíra?) to one side and 5 lower tubes. I havent hangar, then I must to prepare wing and trike every time. It takes me about 40minutes, but one time, when a thunderstorm surprised me, I did it for 20min. This wing is able to fly with R-503 engine, but I recomend 60HP and more. For spare parts: every wing has its own serial number and into your manual, you can to see every one cabel, bolt....every one spare parts have their own number. You need to choose the part number and serial number of wing and your dealer can order really this one part, what do you need. Sorry, I dont know Mustang wings, but my choise would be Aeros :)
Great info Joz, Aero, Ken, Thank you. I'm settling in on a ProfiTL 14 as the Euro is so low it's hard not to. A tricked out ProfiTL14 shipped to my airport is 7K!!! A non-tricked out NW Mustang 15 to my airport is 7.3K.... Makes it very hard to go with the NW!! The extra setup time of a Profi is a bit annoying but the ability to punch through turb eaisier I feel is worth it.
Great point WE on training. I've never flown a ProfiTL but I did learn on a NW Apache Quest with a 912. That's not exactally where I'll end up in my configuration but what it did do is give me a very good range of training. I went from 17 hours in the 912 Apache Quest to an Antares 582 with a NW17 for 10 more hours. I was then ready for solo in my GTE 582 with a 19M wing. I'm just speculating for sure but I think my GTE 582 with a 14M ProfiTL will behave somewhere inbetween my training range. More like the Quest but without the 912 weight... Going to be interesting for sure.
Thanks for the details Joz! If my ProfiTL on has 5 lower battens on each side that's really not that much difference in setup time. The TL may be different but we will see. It's really good to hear you handle the turb better though as that is a serious PITA on my 19M. Downright nerve wracking when you're on final and you get your butt kicked by a whimpy gust.
The other part I like is that with the ProfiTL, if I upgrade my engine later to a 912 or BMW, I will be in a better wing to take advantage of the extra power. With the Mustang, I'm kinda stuck with 582 performance even if I did upgrade my engine. Don't get me wrong, this was not an easy call.
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Hi Leo,
From one Tanarg owner to another, Nice looking trike. What type of wing is this?.
Thank you Noel! This is the Aeros Profi TL :)
Love this wing!
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Leo, it is very clean trike, she should fly nice for sure. Was it in Idaho ? Which airport ?
Hi Henry! It's a very smooth flyer. When I flew it last at Calvada, I didn't want to land it, I was so temped to fly it for a while, but I had about 5 gallons, and didn't want to over do it. We needed to get back home that night so I was pressed for time. I picked her up from Twin falls Idaho Airport. :)
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Leo, we know that exsact feeling in our first solo. My instructor Doug was kind enough letting me use his single seat trike for my first solo. It was a very nice sunset time with dead calm wind. I took off and the air was perfect. I kept flying and getting a little far from the airport. Doug call me in radio, said "Henry, don't go to far from the airport !!". I replied, "Doug, I know it. I'm trying stay close to the airport, but my hands move againt my intetion". It was the moment I felt real freedom in the air.
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Exactly Henry!! Hahaha! That's exactly how I felt!
Alright guys and gals, I need some help deciding on my wing purchase. I've saved up for a new wing and I need to decide between an Aeros Profi TL or a NW Mustang 15M. Now I know those are not in the same league but I can't afford a 10K Conquest. So for some background, I'm at 33 hours, soloing, and currently fly a REALLY old NW MPulse1 19M wing. I have an older AC GTE with a 582. It is VERY slow and hard to handle in mild turbulence. I have to fold and fly out of a trailer so a folding wing is mandatory. So what say ye experts? I'm leaning towards the Profi TL.... Plan to make the purchase soon to take advantage of the low Euro. Leo has great things to say about his and the nice part is he has a 582 on a AC Clipper; should be a good proxi for mine.
wile s iam no expert but i have about 107 hours on my mustang 3. ive been very happy with it docile performance in pretty roudy turbulance. aeros profi as far as i know is also a great wing.one thing you might concider is your closness to northwing for service and parts. kameron is also great to work with. i dont think you would be doing bad with iether wing.
Wile, we have the same issue. I want a profi tl, but due to the fact that I trailer the trike and have to put it together makes my decision hard on getting the profi. The Mustang 3 sounds like a better choice at this time. I have a strutted Contour SL wing with around 400 hours of life left, so I think the Mustang 3 should be my next move, but no promises. I could get the Mustang and then sell it and purchase a profi if I find a hangar, unless I find a Profi for a good price. Right now I know the Mustang is the most convenient for my trailering needs.
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I second what White Eagle mentioned about parts and service being closer to home. My Countour SL is a good wing, but I wish I could get the sail replaced when the time comes instead of buying a new wing.
Thanks for the advice Gentlemen. The fold and fly advantage of the Mustang is making this a difficult decision.... Very good point on getting a new sail for the frame if needed.... A mouse already killed one of my instructors wings. Jeez tough call
The mustang is a sweet flying wing. One of my favorites. I've flown the 15 and the 17. I much prefer the 15 for handling in rougher air that we have on a daily basis here in the desert. The only downside is the speed range. I think it flys at about one speed (55 - 60 depending on tuning), any more throttle an you just climb. The profi is double surface has excellent energy retension and speed range, and I think you can fold the Profi TL (strutted verion) wing btw - I think Leo is transporting his that way. I think the profi is a bit smaller though? so may chew up some of your horsepower on a 582, although I didn't have any trouble with the one I flew on a monsoon with a 582 and flew departing from the airport at 4700 ft over lake tahoe at 11000 feet, 2 up without an issue. You might check with Frank Dempsey, I think he is making a profi order soon, and is a dealer where you can get parts.
Thanks Ken. I'm emailing Frank about "what if a mouse east my wing" question. Aeros has been around for a long time. It would surprise me a bit if they would not sell just the fabric for a wing.
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I also had a new wing sail made from an old wing sail - really incredible job by Ron Goncci of http://theultralightstore.biz . Took the old wing apart, created a pattern and fashioned a new one when the factory wouldn't
951-925-7780 or rgonci@roadrunner.com
Ok so my 2 cents worth here. First the folding issue. Honestly, I don't know that it's any more involved than folding any other wing, with 2 exceptions. 1. If you have electric trim, it must be removed before folding the mast down. 2. Because it's a double surface, you have lower batons to remove.
As for the sail, I asked Chris. He said, if the sail needs to be replaced, you toss the whole wing and buy a new one. A modern flex wing hangared will likely last a couple of thousand hoursbefore it will fail fabric testing.
As a side note, I will say I have heard of Ron Goncci, and I hear he can replicate sails if you give him one to pattern off of.
Lastly, I'm a new spring chicken here....so my say doesn't have much weight. I'm not a "brand" guy, and I'm failry certain the wings mentioned here would fly very similarly to the Profi.
Thanks for the input Leo. On the east coast at least, it's the mice and rats that will force you to get new fabric. Seen it twice out here so far. That and we have all manor of traps and poison. The price we pay for grass strip runways I guess. I talked with Frank and he says he has done both of two options. You can get new sails from Aeros direct (expensive option but cheaper than new) AND Gibbo will do a pattern replacement for these wings as well. I guess Ron would too. So for that aspect, I'm not concerned with fabric replacement. I'll boobie trap the heck out of my trailer! Rats will run the gauntlet to get to my wing!
HAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh man that made me laugh out loud!
You can't go wrong with any of the advice given here. I will say, Ken hit one thing on the head.
Energy retention on the Profi TL is flat out sick. When I was doing touch and go's at Leo's, I would come in, around 50 ish,, pull out slightly over the threshhold, foot barely on the gas...2 foot off the deck....pull the bar in gently, and it was like the Milliniium Falcon, I kid you not man. I put my head back with the sudden acceleration. It just goes and goes and goes forever in ground effect!
I can totally see where someone who isn't gentle can get them selves in trouble in that scenerio.
Yousaw the video I sent ya.....check out the guys hands the entire time......he barely holds the wing.
:)
wile both are good choices double surface will have better penitration in the turb hands down i think there both good wings. how confident are you in your skills. with any new wing i think you must also look at youre pilot skill and the changes you would make. ron goncci has been around a long time so if the choice came down to the profi wing with no sail optins i would totally be confident in ron gonci.
At least for me is a matter of the easiest to put together and transport, both are good wings like WE said, but of course the Mustang is less heavy, if you worry about your lower back. I would love to own a Profi TL, besides my trike is made by Aeros, but at the end I might just have Ron make me a new sail for my strutted Contour SL. And if I find good deal on a profi or mustang who knows what would happen. Hey Scott don't kill the rat, just tape it to the wing tip, go for a ride, and do a couple of wing overs. I bet the rat will tell it's friends not to mess with the barn sail demons.
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Leo, could you send me your Profi TL so I can try it for a few months? Can't garantee you will get it back ;-).
Haha! suuuuuure.... hahaha!
Since we are taking a bit about Aeros, seems like one of their machines did pretty good last year. "World record for the longest distance flown without touchdown in a powered hang glider," 706km (439 miles or 381nm). Looks like it was done under a non-strutted Profi wing.
I fly Aeros Profi 14 and i love it. Its not TL. For better flying properties it has double surface and 14,2m wing surface. Its more easy to handling, because main carrier part of wing is in centre. There is wing "deep" and towards to ends, the wing is slim. Then its easier to handling when turbulent or thermal weather is and you get a bump to one side only. The wing has 11 upper tubes (button? spíra?) to one side and 5 lower tubes. I havent hangar, then I must to prepare wing and trike every time. It takes me about 40minutes, but one time, when a thunderstorm surprised me, I did it for 20min. This wing is able to fly with R-503 engine, but I recomend 60HP and more. For spare parts: every wing has its own serial number and into your manual, you can to see every one cabel, bolt....every one spare parts have their own number. You need to choose the part number and serial number of wing and your dealer can order really this one part, what do you need. Sorry, I dont know Mustang wings, but my choise would be Aeros :)
Great info Joz, Aero, Ken, Thank you. I'm settling in on a ProfiTL 14 as the Euro is so low it's hard not to. A tricked out ProfiTL14 shipped to my airport is 7K!!! A non-tricked out NW Mustang 15 to my airport is 7.3K.... Makes it very hard to go with the NW!! The extra setup time of a Profi is a bit annoying but the ability to punch through turb eaisier I feel is worth it.
Great point WE on training. I've never flown a ProfiTL but I did learn on a NW Apache Quest with a 912. That's not exactally where I'll end up in my configuration but what it did do is give me a very good range of training. I went from 17 hours in the 912 Apache Quest to an Antares 582 with a NW17 for 10 more hours. I was then ready for solo in my GTE 582 with a 19M wing. I'm just speculating for sure but I think my GTE 582 with a 14M ProfiTL will behave somewhere inbetween my training range. More like the Quest but without the 912 weight... Going to be interesting for sure.
Thanks for the details Joz! If my ProfiTL on has 5 lower battens on each side that's really not that much difference in setup time. The TL may be different but we will see. It's really good to hear you handle the turb better though as that is a serious PITA on my 19M. Downright nerve wracking when you're on final and you get your butt kicked by a whimpy gust.
The other part I like is that with the ProfiTL, if I upgrade my engine later to a 912 or BMW, I will be in a better wing to take advantage of the extra power. With the Mustang, I'm kinda stuck with 582 performance even if I did upgrade my engine. Don't get me wrong, this was not an easy call.